Survivors Seal
The official new Nassian Seal:
Usual interpretation of the phoenix in most artwork, decoration, etc.:
Occasionally used alternative versions
Individual Sigils
Gendo
Wyndham
Eleanor
Erebus
(For stamps/rings etc, the insignia would simply be the runic dragon on the shield)
Comments (9)
Mark said
at 12:44 pm on Sep 17, 2012
As the symbol of our nation for flags, insignia, etc, I would absolutely agree that a Phoenix is perfect.
However, personal symbolic sigils would surely already exist in the same way that casting sigils do? I always envisioned Wyndham's symbolic sigil being a lion's face. Funny that.
I have no particular favourite phoenix pic, but I don't like the one facing straight on or the one with a football in the middle of it.
Gribble_the_Munchkin said
at 12:49 pm on Sep 17, 2012
I like the third one from the left on the top row, its nice and simple, clean and you could imagine an even more simple version for people to carve/cut/draw in a hurry.
Shiroboshi said
at 1:43 pm on Sep 17, 2012
Casting sigils and 'voting sigils" are entirely separate, although they may often have resemblances. Primarily, voting sigils (which frankly should be called "seals", are an optcome of the AM "Order of Hermes" which is pretty much an outcome on the tribunal structure of the order in 'Mythic Europe'. I'd be inclined to assume that for this setting we are probably looking more at a heraldic type arrangement, which would allow for modification and transformation. And even if it doesn't, I'd be inclined there is a lack of hermetic heralds who would be able to enforce things :)
Personal preference for me as a nation symbol would probably be the 3rd or the 4th version. I can see different branches of government making slight modifications, such as e.g. crossed sword and axe underneath for the military, an ouroboros around it for the mage 'orders', and appropriate versions for the different paladin orders...?
Shiroboshi said
at 1:42 am on Sep 18, 2012
And there's one more :)
Shiroboshi said
at 4:28 pm on Sep 2, 2013
I took the liberty of deleting the PDF links at the top of the page that weren't really displaying anything...
PillFish said
at 5:12 pm on Sep 2, 2013
Didn't realise they were still there. You should also take the liberty of reducing the Phoenix sigil collection to the only one we're using
Shiroboshi said
at 5:39 pm on Sep 2, 2013
Were using a few of them :)
I'd guess that there will by now be multiple versions around. The 3rd and the 7th are likely the most used ones. I'm assuming No 7 is the official seal of government (with different 'tooling' in the claws, depending on which branch, i.e. sword and spear for 'army', staff and circle for the casters, tools of trade for guild seals, etc.). The 3rd is more often used as a decorative symbol...? Easier to make, can be stylised even more, etc.
I'd be inclined to think that the other designs will emerge as individual interpretations...?
PillFish said
at 7:26 pm on Sep 2, 2013
The one with tooling would be nice, if not for the tooling. The tooling makes it look a bit tacky. Do not like. I actually like the last two the most.
Shiroboshi said
at 11:27 am on Sep 3, 2013
It is supposed to be a national symbol... They are tacky by definition... :) (The logo is actually taken from one of the OS Quake construction kits, hence the shape and the tools...)
I actually really liked the last one but it was voted down quite a bit. the 2nd from last is really just more elaborate from the alternative official one. IIRC someone decided to simplify this one and came up with the one we are using above :)
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